Brexit again............

[Dartskipper]

The sands of time are running out while the MP's indulge in monkey business.

[erimus]

Nice to see we have some friends in Europe:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Ic...R1wFXCMmGOs69g

geoff

[garryNorton]

It is good to see some sense spoken by Brussels lets have a cooling off period.

[Dartskipper]

Originally Posted by erimus

Nice to see we have some friends in Europe:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Ic...R1wFXCMmGOs69g

geoff

I have to agree with her remarks, she can clearly tell the difference between the wood and the trees.

Thanks for posting, Geoff.

[Varley]

But I am not sure you can Dartskipper. She clearly used the circumstances to promote German national interest. But, then, not everything that came from the Reich was wrong. Fortunately what was and is wrong is easily distinguished from the right.

[Tom Alexander]

Originally Posted by Varley

But I am not sure you can Dartskipper. She clearly used the circumstances to promote German national interest. But, then, not everything that cam from the Reich was wrong. Flortunately what was and is wrong is easily distinguished from the right.

Is that the right which is right, or the left that is wrong?? Politically speaking, of course.

[BobClay]

If we are cuddling up to the German right, we clearly haven't learned much over the last century.

[erimus]

Bob,they cannot help us anyway....seems we cannot help ourselves either.

geoff

[Varley]

Originally Posted by Tom Alexander

Is that the right which is right, or the left that is wrong?? Politically speaking, of course.

Politics is a different thing and those who choose that calling as a profession probably cannot tell the difference. Encouraging the genetically damaged to not breed is right (also right, I admit) to use gas to do it is wrong (whether you are right or left).

[Tmac1720]

Regards our parliament an the current crop of fu*kwits I have one question and one observation.

1. Why can you not simply do as you were instructed and leave the EU in its entirety? NOT a "hokey kokey version you want, in out in out shake it all about.

2. Come back Oliver Cromwell all is forgiven.

[Ron Stringer]

Originally Posted by Tmac1720

Regards our parliament an the current crop of fu*kwits I have one question and one observation.

Why can you not simply do as you were instructed and leave the EU in its entirety?

Surely with the approach of Good Friday you in Northwest Ulster ought to have concerns at the breaking of an international treaty that brought you, and the rest of the UK, relief from decades of conflict and death?

[Tmac1720]

Sorry Ron I don't equate leaving the EU with the Good Friday agreement. This was a tripartite agreement between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland with Northern Ireland as a signatory. Peace in this part of the country was achieved because each side realised they could not win a senseless and pointless conflict. Unfortunately too many people lost their lives and suffered horrendous injury before sense prevailed.

[Ron Stringer]

Tmac,


There are many discussions on the internet on the subject of Brexit and border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland becoming the EU's external border if the UK leaves the EU. The 'backstop' related to this possibility seems to have been the most contentious 'red line' subject throughout the recent negotiations between the UK and Brussels.


The subject is both contentious and complex, so I don't begin to understand it in any depth at all. Some information is here


I would rather Ireland did not return to the pre-treaty situation and consider that peace there is far more important than the status of any UK or EU politician, so the sooner that they stop posing and posturing and settle down to agreeing a compromise, the better.

[Dartskipper]

Originally Posted by Varley

But I am not sure you can Dartskipper. She clearly used the circumstances to promote German national interest. But, then, not everything that came from the Reich was wrong. Fortunately what was and is wrong is easily distinguished from the right.

Agreed with your last comment DV, but the united Germany of today is a different country to what it was pre 1939. Yes they have political unrest, and Merkel is clinging on to power like a geriatric limpet, but their economy is still reasonably robust despite recent horrors discovered in their automobile industry. I'm happy that she stood up for her own Country, I only wish our "negotiators" and representatives sent to Brussels did the same for the UK in the past 33 months. Apart from Farage and Hannan, when have we heard similar criticism of the Brussels Commissioners from our MEP's?

[Varley]

Dart.s Throughout Mrs. Thatcher's time? I rather thought that was what Cameron's mission there was about. I did, however, have a Chamber 'breakfast' hosted by Den Dover, an MEP (I think with Conservative membership) he was certainly a waste denier and completely opposed to the use of the veto (I had suggested that the veto should be re-introduced and used to extinguish lines of endeavour at their outset when approval from the council of Ministers was clearly bound to fail. He then gave an answer that might have been to one of his own questions but certainly was not to mine clearly had a low priority on Euro-civil servant waste). He was later 'done' for expenses misconduct.

[Dartskipper]

I recall that when Maggie T sent an "envoy" to Brussels to fight our corner, they all went native. The late Mr Britten and the ubiquitous Mr Patten are two of that genre who come to mind. There were most likely others, although Mr Kinnock did ask some awkward questions until he was taken to one side and told to shut up if he wanted to qualify for his pension. His good lady just went along too, to stop him falling into the surf again at Blankenberge.

[BobClay]

If you think for one minute there isn't a 'pre-1939' faction, growing stronger if anything in today's Germany I think you're deluding yourself.

The true fact of all this mayhem is there is one man watching with glee as the Western world divides and fractures in a way even his long term plan couldn't have hoped for.

He works in the Kremlin and it would appear he thinks he can do pretty much what he likes with little effective comeback. And so far it looks like he's right.

[erimus]

A Poem for Brexit



“Won’t you join our Common Market” said the spider to the fly,

“It really is a winner and the cost is not too high”
“I know De Gaulle said” Non”, but he hadn’t got a clue,
“We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you.
“You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
“As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new Milch cow,
“It’s just a continental term, believe me, mon ami,
“Like “Vive la France” or Mad Anglais” or even “E.E.C.”
“As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few
“You’ll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you.
“Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
“You do all the giving, and we will share it out.
“It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
“You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
“So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side
“Your Continental cousins want to take you for a ride.
Anon

geoff

[BobClay]

The thing with this cartoon is, it gets funnier every day …

[Dave McGouldrick]

Heard a comment the other day concerning the Irish border situation. (I have no idea which learned person made it)


'If the EU don't want a 'hard' border, and the Irish don't want a hard border and the UK doesn't want a hard border, where's the problem?'


I guess it would mean that Ireland would be a back door for customs free imports/exports to and from the EU - good thing? bad thing?


I await comments on my naiivety - meanwhile back to my smoko Appeltons Estate.

[IJC 38]

Oh! Dear! Prior going on vacation I don't recall there being any (or much) mention of Brexit and all was harmony. At the current time harmony seems to be the watchword, well near-to anyway, alas I see from some comments that this particular forum may or possibly will degenerate into verbal insults developing as on another site into abuse and bullying, I do hope this does not go the same way. I notice on another seafarers site it is a Brexit free zone and nautical subjects abound

[Tmac1720]

I'd like a hard border around my house to keep the fu*kwit politicians OUT !!!!! Dear God it's nearly another election time and they swarm about like flies on shit

[BobClay]

Originally Posted by Tmac1720

I'd like a hard border around my house to keep the fu*kwit politicians OUT !!!!! Dear God it's nearly another election time and they swarm about like flies on shit

I usually only put this out at Halloween .. (that'll be a hoot this year if it goes to the line. What chance have demons and hobgoblins got against politicians?)

I think I'll put it out at election time and leave it there until Halloween and just hope the postman doesn't think he's included.

[Tom Alexander]

[QUOTE=Dave McGouldrick;22620]'If the EU don't want a 'hard' border, and the Irish don't want a hard border and the UK doesn't want a hard border, where's the problem?'/QUOTE]

The way I understand it is:-

[Engine Serang]

Well said Tom.