Go Back   Shipping History > Swinging The Lamp (Off Topic) > Aviation

DC3 - the end in Europe

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 17th March 2021, 23:30
Gulpers's Avatar
Gulpers Scotland Gulpers is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Near Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Posts: 335
Images: 36
DC3 - the end in Europe

Posted on behalf of John Rogers.

DC3 - The end in Europe ... (Part One)

WHAT A LOSS

We members of the over-the-hill lot can still well remember when the gooney-bird was considered to be high tech.....

Now the DC3 has been grounded by EU health and safety rules.

'It groaned, it protested, it rattled, it ran hot, it ran cold, it ran rough, it staggered along on hot days and scared you half to death. Its wings flexed and twisted in a horrifying manner, it sank back to earth with a great sigh of relief. But it flew and it flew and it flew.'

This is the memorable description by Captain Len Morgan, a former pilot with Braniff Airways, of the unique challenge of flying a Douglas DC-3.

It's carried more passengers than any plane in history, but - Now the DC-3 has been grounded by EU health and safety rules.

The DC-3 served in World War II , Korea and Vietnam, and was a favourite among pilots!

For more than 70 years, the aircraft known through a variety of nicknames --- the Doug, the Dizzy, Old Methuselah, the Gooney Bird, the Grand Old Lady --- but which to most of us is simply the Dakota--- has been the workhorse of the skies.

With its distinctive nose-up profile when on the ground and extraordinary capabilities in the air, it transformed passenger travel, and served in just about every military conflict from World War II onwards.

Now the Douglas DC-3 --- the most successful plane ever made, which first took to the skies just over 30 years after the Wright Brothers' historic first flight --- is to carry passengers in Britain for the last time.

Romeo Alpha and Papa Yankee, the last two passenger-carrying Dakotas in the UK , are being forced into retirement because of --- yes, you've guessed it --- health & safety rules.

Their owner, Coventry-based Air Atlantique, has reluctantly decided it would be too expensive to fit the required emergency- escape slides and weather-radar systems required by new European rules for their 65-year-old planes, which served with the RAF during the war.

Mike Collett, the company's chairman, says: "We're very saddened." The end of the passenger-carrying British Dakotas is a sad chapter in the story of the most remarkable aircraft ever built, surpassing all others in length of service, dependability and achievement.

It has been a luxury airliner, transport plane, bomber, fighter and flying hospital, and introduced millions of people to the concept of air travel.

It has flown more miles, broken more records, carried more passengers and cargo, accumulated more flying time and performed more 'impossible' feats than any other plane in history, even in these days of super-jumbos that can circle the world non-stop.

Indeed, at one point, 90 percent of the world's air traffic was operated by DC-3s. More than 10,500 DC-3s have been built since the prototype was rolled out to astonished onlookers at Douglas's Santa Monica factory in 1935.

With its eagle beak, large square windows and sleek metal fuselage, it was luxurious beyond belief, in contrast to the wood-and-canvas bone shakers of the day, where passengers had to huddle under blankets against the cold.

Even in the 1930s, the early Dakotas had many of the comforts we take for granted today, like on-board loos and a galley that could prepare hot food. Early menus included wild-rice pancakes with blueberry syrup, served on bone china with silver service.

For the first time, passengers were able to stand- up and walk- around while the plane was airborne.
__________________
Ray

........ a closed mouth gathers no feet!

Last edited by Gulpers; 18th March 2021 at 11:28.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 17th March 2021, 23:32
Gulpers's Avatar
Gulpers Scotland Gulpers is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Near Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Posts: 335
Images: 36
DC3 - the end Europe (Part 2)

But the design had one vital feature, ordered by pioneering aviator Charles Lindbergh, who was a director of TWA, which placed the first order for the plane. The DC-3 should always, Lindbergh directed, be able to fly on one- engine.

Pilots have always loved it, not just because of its rugged reliability but because, with no computers on board, it is the epitome of 'flying by the seat- of- the- pants'. One aviator memorably described the Dakota as a 'collection of parts flying in loose formation', and most reckon they can land it pretty well on a postage stamp.

Captain Len Morgan says: 'The Dakota could lift virtually any load strapped to its back and carry it anywhere and in any weather safely.'

It is the very human scale of the plane that has so endeared it to successive generations. With no pressurization in the cabin, it flies low and slow. And unlike modern jets, it's still possible to see the world go by from the cabin of a Dakota. (The name, incidentally, is an acronym for Douglas Aircraft Company Transport Aircraft.)

As a former Pan Am stewardess puts it: "From the windows, you seldom look upon a flat, hazy, distant surface to the world. "Instead, you see the features of the earth --- curves of mountains, colours of lakes, cars moving on roads, ocean waves crashing on shores, and cloud formations as a sea of popcorn and powder puffs.

But it is for heroic feats in military service that the legendary plane is most distinguished. It played a major role in the invasion of Sicily, the D-Day landings, the Berlin Airlift, and the Korean & Vietnam wars, performing astonishing feats along the way.

When General Eisenhower was asked what he believed were the foundation stones for America's success in World War II, he named the bulldozer, the jeep, the half-ton truck, and the Dakota.

When the Burma Road was captured by the Japanese, and the only way to send supplies into China was over the mountains at 19,000 ft, the Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek said: 'Give me 50 DC-3s, and the Japs can have the Burma Road ..'

In 1945, a Dakota broke the world record for a flight with an engine out of action, travelling for 1,100 miles from Pearl Harbor to San Diego, with just one propeller working.

Another in RNZAF service lost a wing after colliding mid-air with a Lockheed bomber. Defying all the rules of aerodynamics, and with only a stub remaining, the plane landed, literally, on a wing and a prayer at Whenuapai Airbase.

Once, a Dakota pilot carrying paratroops across the Channel to France heard an enormous bang. He went aft to find that half the plane had been blown away, including part of the rudder. With engines still turning, he managed to skim the wave-tops before finally making it to safety.

Another wartime Dakota was rammed by a Japanese fighter that fell to earth, while the American crew returned home in their severely damaged --- but still airborne ---plane, and were given the distinction of 'downing an enemy aircraft'.

Another DC-3 was peppered with 3,000 bullets in the wings and fuselage by Japanese fighters. It made it back to base, was repaired with canvas patches and glue, and then sent back into the air.

During the evacuation of Saigon in 1975, a Dakota crew managed to cram aboard 98 Vietnamese orphans, although the plane was supposed to carry no more than 30 passengers.

In addition to its rugged military service, it was the DC-3 which transformed commercial -passenger flying in the post-war years.

Easily converted to a passenger plane, it introduced the idea of affordable air travel to a world which had previously seen it as exclusively for the rich.

Flights across America could be completed in about 15 hours (with three stops for refuelling), compared with the previous reliance on short hops in commuter aircraft during the day and train- travel overnight.

It made the world a smaller place, gave people the opportunity for the first time to see previously inaccessible destinations, and became a romantic symbol of travel.

The DC-3's record has not always been perfect. After the war, military-surplus Dakotas were cheap, often poorly maintained, and pushed to the limit by their owners. Accidents were frequent. One of the most tragic happened in 1962, when Zulu Bravo, a Channel Airways flight from Jersey, slammed into a hillside on the Isle of Wight in thick fog. All three crew and nine of the 14 passengers died, but the accident changed the course of aviation history.

The local radar, incredibly, had been switched off because it was a Sunday. The national air safety rules were changed to ensure it never happened again.

'The DC-3 was, and is, unique,' wrote the novelist and aviation writer Ernest Gann, 'since no other flying machine has cruised every sky known to mankind, been so admired, cherished, glamorized, known the touch of so many pilots and sparked so many tributes.

"It was without question the most successful aircraft ever built, and even in this jet-age, it seems likely that the surviving DC-3s may fly about their business forever.."

This may be no exaggeration. Next month, Romeo Alpha and Papa Yankee begin a farewell tour of Britain's airports before carrying their final passengers at the International Air Tattoo at RAF Fairford on July 16.

But after their retirement, there will still be Dakotas flying in the farthest corners of the world, kept going with love, dedication and sheer ingenuity. Nearly three-quarters of a century after they first entered service, it's still possible to get a Dakota ride somewhere in the world.

I recently took a DC-3 into the heart of the Venezuelan jungle --- to the "Lost World" made famous in the novel by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. It is one of the most remote regions on the planet --- where the venerable old planes have long been used because they can be manoeuvred like birds in the wild terrain.

It's a scary experience being strapped into a torn canvas chair, raked back at an alarming angle (walking along the aisle of a stationary Dakota is like climbing a steep hill) as you wait for take-off.

The engines spew smoke and oil as they shudder into life with what DC-3 fans describe as 'music', but to me sounded like the hammering of a thousand pneumatic-drills. But soon you are skimming the legendary flat-topped mountains protruding from the jungle below, purring over wild rivers and the Angel Falls , the world's highest rapids. Suddenly the ancient plane drops like a stone to a tiny landing strip just visible in the trees.

The pilot dodges bits of dismantled DC-3 engines scattered on the ground and avoids a stray dog as he touches down with scarcely a bump. How did he do it without air traffic control and the minimum of navigational aids? ''C'est facile --- it's easy," he shrugged.

Today, many DC-3s live-on throughout the world as crop-sprayers, surveillance patrols, air freighters in forgotten African states, and even luxury executive transports. One, owned by a Houston lumber company, had mink-covered door- knobs, while another belonging to a Texas rancher had sofas and reclining chairs upholstered with the skins of unborn calves..

In Jaipur, India, a Dakota is licensed for flying wedding ceremonies.

Even when they have ended their aerial lives, old Dakotas have become mobile homes, hamburger stands and hen houses. One even serves as a football team changing room.

Clark Gable's private DC-3, which once ferried chums such as John and Bobby Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra and Ronald Reagan, is in a theme park in San Marino. But don't assume it won't run again. Some of the oldest hulks have been put back in the skies.

The ancient piston-engines are replaced by modern turboprops, and many a pilot of a modern jet has been astonished to find a Dakota alongside him on the climb away from the runway.

So what is the enduring secret of the DC-3? David Egerton, professor of the history of science and technology at Imperial College, London, says we should rid our minds of the idea that the most recent inventions are always the best.

'The very fact that the DC-3 is still around and performing a useful role in the world is a powerful reminder that the latest and most expensive technology is not always the one that changes history,' he says.

It's long been an aviation axiom that 'the only replacement for the DC-3 is another DC-3'. So it's fortunate that at least one seems likely to be around for a very long time to come.

In 1946, a DC-3 on a flight from Vienna to Pisa crashed into the top of the Rosenlaui Glacier in the Swiss Alps. The aircraft was not damaged and all the passengers were rescued, but it quickly began to disappear as a blinding snowstorm raged.

Swiss engineers have calculated that it will take 600 years for it to slide- down inside the glacier and emerge at the bottom.

The most asinine ruling ever dreamed up by a nightmare bureaucracy!!!

I especially appreciate the part requiring "escape slides". On it's belly, you can step down from the aircraft floor to the ground.

Thanks a million 'Old Bird', DC3, C47 or 'DAKOTA'.
You'll be missed a lot, for carrying us to safety, when we needed you to.
__________________
Ray

........ a closed mouth gathers no feet!

Last edited by Gulpers; 18th March 2021 at 11:27.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18th March 2021, 01:13
John Rogers's Avatar
John Rogers United States John Rogers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St.louis,Missouri USA.
Posts: 550
Images: 239
https://www.shippinghistory.com/gall...date=lastvisit
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18th March 2021, 10:24
Jolly Jack England Jolly Jack is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 181
Images: 7
The first plane I flew in; from Southampton to Jersey. 1958. My mate's dad worked for BR and got free travel including the boat-trains. His family went to Jersey every year in the hols but this time he wanted to fly across so asked me to go with him. £6 return.
The plane inside seemed very luxurious but what I remember most, was the bouncing along the grass runway at take-off - quite exciting for a lad of 14. Mind you, me being more interested in ships I'd rather have gone by ferry. My mam and dad preferred camping for hols!!!!!.......

JJ.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18th March 2021, 11:46
Gulpers's Avatar
Gulpers Scotland Gulpers is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Near Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Posts: 335
Images: 36
My first flight too. As a seven year old schoolboy I was taken to Edinburgh Zoo on the last day of the school summer holidays. Flew from Glasgow to Edinburgh and return on a BEA Dakota - all for the princely sum of 10/- (10 shillings).
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 47081AB5-B824-4112-A9BC-28E6E2B62FDA.jpg (137.2 KB, 19 views)
__________________
Ray

........ a closed mouth gathers no feet!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 18th March 2021, 12:54
john Cassels Netherlands john Cassels is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Oude-Tonge , Netherlands
Posts: 53
Nice one Ray ... Master Carson !.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 18th March 2021, 15:17
Dartskipper's Avatar
Dartskipper United Kingdom Dartskipper is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Paignton. Devon.
Posts: 1,276
Images: 305
Great post Ray.

I think it was a DC3 that gave Freddie Laker his start in commercial flying. A couple of questions, I may have missed it but did you mention the part it played in the Berlin Air Lift emergency?

Also, if we aren't in the EU any more, why are we adhering to their directives affecting activities in the UK but not in the greater EU farrago?????

Just asking, like!

Regards.
__________________
"You do not ask a tame seagull why it needs to disappear from time to time towards the open sea. It goes. That's all." Bernard Moitessier.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 18th March 2021, 16:35
John Rogers's Avatar
John Rogers United States John Rogers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St.louis,Missouri USA.
Posts: 550
Images: 239
Yes the old bird was used for dropping food and chocolate during the Berlin airlift.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 18th March 2021, 17:54
Gulpers's Avatar
Gulpers Scotland Gulpers is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Near Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Posts: 335
Images: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartskipper View Post
Great post Ray.

I think it was a DC3 that gave Freddie Laker his start in commercial flying. A couple of questions, I may have missed it but did you mention the part it played in the Berlin Air Lift emergency?

Also, if we aren't in the EU any more, why are we adhering to their directives affecting activities in the UK but not in the greater EU farrago?????

Just asking, like!

Regards.
Unfortunately I can’t take credit for such an interesting post. John Rogers was having a technical problem and asked me to make the post on his behalf.
I’m sure John has spent many hours in DC3s and will be able give more information.
__________________
Ray

........ a closed mouth gathers no feet!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 18th March 2021, 19:51
Dartskipper's Avatar
Dartskipper United Kingdom Dartskipper is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Paignton. Devon.
Posts: 1,276
Images: 305
Thanks Ray.

Regards.
__________________
"You do not ask a tame seagull why it needs to disappear from time to time towards the open sea. It goes. That's all." Bernard Moitessier.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 18th March 2021, 19:52
Dartskipper's Avatar
Dartskipper United Kingdom Dartskipper is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Paignton. Devon.
Posts: 1,276
Images: 305
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post
Yes the old bird was used for dropping food and chocolate during the Berlin airlift.
Thanks John.

Regards.
__________________
"You do not ask a tame seagull why it needs to disappear from time to time towards the open sea. It goes. That's all." Bernard Moitessier.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 18th March 2021, 20:55
Malcolm G's Avatar
Malcolm G Malcolm G is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Poole
Posts: 1,624
Images: 7
A couple of things spring to mind:


In 1982 Yorkshire Television made a short drama series called 'Airline'
The plot, set in 1945 onwards, concerned a demobbed pilot who purchased a couple of demobbed DC3s.
The Berlin Airlift was used in the storyline.
G-DAKS and G-BHUB took part.

At the recent funeral of Hon Colonel Sir Thomas Moore, The BBMF sent their Dakota ZA947 to carry out the fly-past.
__________________
The Mad Landsman
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 18th March 2021, 21:55
Gulpers's Avatar
Gulpers Scotland Gulpers is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Near Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Posts: 335
Images: 36
John’s original article makes reference to Air Atlantique’s two Dakotas. This reminded me of my time in HM Coastguard when these aircraft were on a lease contract with the RVL Group for marine surveillance and spraying work on behalf of the Maritime & Coastguard Agency (MCA).

Article from 2014 here
__________________
Ray

........ a closed mouth gathers no feet!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 18th March 2021, 23:22
Greg Hayden's Avatar
Greg Hayden United States Greg Hayden is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Vista, California,, USA
Posts: 20
DC3

Growing up @ the Head of the Lakes Duluth MN North Central Airlines and their 32 DC3's gave us a fast way to travel.



http://www.hermantheduck.org/pages/a...pages/dc3.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Central_Airlines


http://www.northcentralairlines.com/index.html
Quote: Good People Made Our Airline Great
This site is a placeholder so that retired and ex-employees (and their family members) of the former North Central Airlines (and by extension, Republic Airlines) can have a nostalgic link to their past by having an NorthCentralAirlines.com e-mail address. Unquote


https://airwaysmag.com/magazine/north-central-airlines/
Detailed NCA History


http://www.hermantheduck.org/
From its earliest years Herman the Mallard was the NCA logo
Attached Images
File Type: jpg NCA-DC3.jpg (86.3 KB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg NCA-History.jpg (88.0 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg NCA-Routes-1952.jpg (87.7 KB, 10 views)
__________________
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vista,_California
Vista elevation: 331 feet above sea level. My home elevation 541 feet above sea level. When I go 2-/12 miles to downtown Vista. I go down 210 vertical feet. Of course my route home is ALL uphill.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 19th March 2021, 08:26
Engine Serang Northern Ireland Engine Serang is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Dublin,but I'd rather be in Stavanger.
Posts: 3,040
Do you have a Sherpa?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 19th March 2021, 15:34
lakercapt Canada lakercapt is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Oro-Medonte Ontario Canada
Posts: 169
Images: 3
I too flew from Edinburgh to Glasgow in a DC3 and this was quite an adventure.
Here in Canada the company "Arctic Airways" still flies the DC3 as it is hardy in severe conditions.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 19th March 2021, 20:31
Malcolm G's Avatar
Malcolm G Malcolm G is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Poole
Posts: 1,624
Images: 7
Regarding the British, and Commonwealth, name for the Douglas DC3 - Dakota.
The suggestion that it is an acronym is, I am sorry to say, just another one of those reverse engineered acronyms thought up much later by some unknown person.
The true reason for the name is much more prosaic.

I found this quote posted on the PPRuNe forum....

The following extract is from 'NAMES WITH WINGS' by Gordon Wansbrough-White (ISBN 1 85310 491 4).
1939-1946
A name will be allotted to aircraft of a new basic type as soon as it is evident that a production order will be placed. The name will be selected from the categories on nomenclature set out below:
Transport - Counties or districts of the British Empire.
In the case of American aircraft allotted to Britain, and Canadian aircraft built for MAP, fullest consideration will be given to the wishes of the relevant authorities should they press for the adoption of names not within these categories. Endeavours should be made, however, to follow as closely as possible the basic rules, but names with an American or Canadian flavour will be very appropriate. For instance, American-built transports would not necessarily be named after a county or district of the British Empire, but would preferably be named after a district or State of the USA. The US Army Air Corps advised that there was no need to inform the US manufacturers of this ruling, but the British Air Commission in Washington suggested that it may perhaps be politic!

Thus the aircraft is named from a US State or two, because the aircraft was American and a name was chosen (by committee no doubt) with the desired alliteration - starting with 'D'.
__________________
The Mad Landsman
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 19th March 2021, 23:47
John Rogers's Avatar
John Rogers United States John Rogers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St.louis,Missouri USA.
Posts: 550
Images: 239
I believe the C-46 that looked like the C-47 was called the Commando built by Curtis.

Last edited by John Rogers; 20th March 2021 at 00:37.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20th March 2021, 00:10
John Rogers's Avatar
John Rogers United States John Rogers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St.louis,Missouri USA.
Posts: 550
Images: 239
Thumbs up Sherpa or Short

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine Serang View Post
Do you have a Sherpa?
If you would like to see a Sherpa check out my gallery there are couple of pics in there of that aircraft. Nice little plane, flew in it a few times.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 17th May 2021, 21:36
Faxferryman United Kingdom Faxferryman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Halifax, Yorkshire
Posts: 14
The yorkshire Airmuseum (just outside York) has a Dakota that you can go inside, there is a half door at the cockpit/radio station so you cannot get inside that part. Yes its a hell of an angle. I have always been fascinated by the DC3, so I was extremely chuffed when I went there a couple of years ago with my grandson. It is a very good museum and well worth a visit.
They have an airshow normally in August, and it is one of the very few that are North facing, so excellent for photography. rgds Kev
Reply With Quote
Post Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
English Language losing importance in Europe. Binnacle Stormy Weather 11 29th October 2021 18:12


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 16:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.