Argentinian Submarine Missing

[Gulpers]

“The International Submarine Escape and Rescue Liaison Office (ISMERLO), organization dedicated to the search and rescue of sunk submarines around the world, claimed it detected ARA SAN JUAN about 300 kilometers east of Puerto Madryn at some 70 meters depth. No confirmation yet, official news say submarine search continues. If submarine is really found at 70-meter depth, there’s a good chance of rescuing the crew.”

http://maritimebulletin.net/2017/11/...adicting-news/

[Gulpers]

No real progress with search for missing submarine.
Daily Mail coverage here.

[Farmer John]

News seems to be muddled and contradictory, I hope definite news comes soon and that it is good, if that is still possible.

[Tom Alexander]

Originally Posted by Farmer John

News seems to be muddled and contradictory, I hope definite news comes soon and that it is good, if that is still possible.

Hopefully she hasn't gone to join the General Belgrano.

[Gulpers]

Sounds not from missing submarine, now believed to be from a biological source.
Sky News report here.

[ssr481]

Last I heard/read is that they may have limited oxygen left. About 12 nations are in on the search and the USN has sent some UAVs, P-8 Poseidon ASW aircraft and other resources.. nothing yet.

[Gulpers]

Submarine possibly located after a series of ‘red herrings.’
As ssr481 mentioned above, time is of the essence as the vessel will have a limited oxygen supply by now.
News article here.

[Tmac1720]

Hope to God they are found and safely brought to the surface.

[Gulpers]

Narrow minded, or what!
You couldn’t make this up!

[erimus]

...'tis the Daily Mail but seems to have some truth in it.However, the RAF planes on search have been refuelling in Argentina and greeted warmly....

geoff

[Malcolm G]

I do not think that their fellow Countrymen agree with those views:

https://news.sky.com/story/submarine...lands-11139053

[Ron Stringer]

Originally Posted by Gulpers

Narrow minded, or what!
You couldn’t make this up!

Oh yes you can! The Mail Online did just that. Making it up is their stock-in-trade.

[Gulpers]

Latest disturbing news from the BBC here.
Even the Daily Mail couldn’t invent this Ron!

[erimus]

Wonder if she tried to fire one of her torpedoes?

geoff

[Gulpers]

Argentine President Mauricio Macri has promised that an inquiry into the disappearance of a navy submarine will "know the truth" of what happened.

BBC article here.

[BobClay]

Let's hope so. Every disaster has to be learned from. It isn't much compensation for the bereaved families, but it is something.

[ART6]

It is now long gone time when there was any possibility of rescue of those sailors and, if the sub sea acoustic detectors did indeed register sounds like explosions, then there was probably no hope in the first place. If that is the case then the only good thing that might come out of this and give some comfort to the crew's families is that the world swung in behind Argentina -- Russians, Americans, just about every South American country, and even the dreaded enemy Britain. Perhaps then the politicians world wide with their endless rabble-rousing might stop to consider that humanity is a greater power than they and their insular party interests.

If it takes the sacrifice of 44 sailors to achieve that then perhaps the world could move forward a tiny bit, except that will be no help to those who have lost a father, son, daughter. The problem is that their concerns will become immersed in sound bites from politicians and large front page print on newspapers. Those last two will be (a) trying to preserve their place on the gravy train and (b) sell newspapers, the two being mutually supportive.

Sadly, I suspect, that once again the emergency will be taken over by politicians and activists each with their own agendas that care little for the lives lost and the grief of their families, although they will exploit them.

[Gulpers]

Originally Posted by ART6

It is now long gone time when there was any possibility of rescue of those sailors and, if the sub sea acoustic detectors did indeed register sounds like explosions, then there was probably no hope in the first place. If that is the case then the only good thing that might come out of this and give some comfort to the crew's families is that the world swung in behind Argentina -- Russians, Americans, just about every South American country, and even the dreaded enemy Britain. Perhaps then the politicians world wide with their endless rabble-rousing might stop to consider that humanity is a greater power than they and their insular party interests.

If it takes the sacrifice of 44 sailors to achieve that then perhaps the world could move forward a tiny bit, except that will be no help to those who have lost a father, son, daughter. The problem is that their concerns will become immersed in sound bites from politicians and large front page print on newspapers. Those last two will be (a) trying to preserve their place on the gravy train and (b) sell newspapers, the two being mutually supportive.

Sadly, I suspect, that once again the emergency will be taken over by politicians and activists each with their own agendas that care little for the lives lost and the grief of their families, although they will exploit them.

Hear, hear ART6.

[BobClay]

Strange how the whole world can pull together when someone gets into trouble and put mighty effort into helping them out. Then afterward regardless of result return to the usual petty but deadly behaviour of the human species as if nothing had happened.

George Santayana was right. We don't learn.

[surveychile]

Argentinean news about the ARA San Juan:

Lunes 27: Revela último mensaje y se reduce zona de búsqueda

El canal A24 de Buenos Aires reveló el último mensaje de submarino ARA San Juan que reporta un cortocircuito y un principio de incendio en las baterías.

"Ingreso de agua de mar por sistema de ventilación al tanque de baterías N°3 ocasionó cortocircuito y principio de incendio en el balcón de barras de baterías. Baterías de proa fuera de servicio. Al momento en inmersión propulsando con circuito dividido. Sin novedades de personal mantendré informado", se lee en el mensaje del "ARA San Juan".

Además, se reduce la zona por donde se realiza el rastrillaje a un radio de 64 kilómetros, que corresponden a la zona donde estaría el navío desaparecido y que sufrió una implosión.

Translation to English:

Monday 27: Reveals last message and reduces search area The A24 channel of Buenos Aires revealed the last message of submarine ARA San Juan that reports a short circuit and a fire beginning in the batteries.

"Entry of seawater by ventilation system to battery tank No. 3 caused a short circuit and the beginning of a fire in the balcony of battery bars, bow batteries out of service, at the time of immersion, propelling with a split circuit. I will keep you informed, "reads the" ARA San Juan "message.

In addition, the area where the raking is performed is reduced to a radius of 64 kilometers, which corresponds to the area where the missing vessel would be and which suffered an implosion.

Regards

Tomi.

[Dredger]

Sadly, it sure is taking some time to locate the ARA San Juan. I am really kind of surprised it has taken this long. 15 days so far since the last communication. There is plenty of assets in the search area.

[Canuck1]

Originally Posted by Dredger

Sadly, it sure is taking some time to locate the ARA San Juan. I am really kind of surprised it has taken this long. 15 days so far since the last communication. There is plenty of assets in the search area.

With thousands of square miles of ocean and significant depths of water involved, it's like searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack.

Sadly, it would appear that she is gone to the bottom and her ship's company have joined the ranks of submariners "still on patrol."

[surveychile]

Translation of the last news received from the present status of the submarine ARA San Juan

The Navy reported that the search for the crew of the submarine ARA San Juan ended
In this way there is no hope of finding the sailors alive.
The raking will continue to find the remains of the ship

15 days after the disappearance of the submarine ARA San Juan, the Argentine Navy confirmed that "there will be no rescue of people", so there is no hope that the 44 crew members are alive.

Capt. Enrique Balbi, spokesman of the Navy, read the "press release number 50", in which he reported the completion of SAR (Search and rescue) case to go to the search phase. According to him, the SAR aims to "save people, in order to preserve human life", something that was finally ruled out.

After having traveled a million nautical miles and after analyzing that area at a depth of 300 meters without positive results, added to the fact that the last communication of the crew was two weeks ago, the Navy made this decision to change the protocol of Search and rescue by only search of the ship. However, if the vessel is more than 500 meters deep, all operations will be terminated.

In this way, the crew will no longer be sought alive. This was resolved by Rear Admiral Luis Enrique López Mazzeo, the military man in charge of the Mar del Plata naval base, who was the one who issued the last known statement about the problem in the batteries suffered by the ARA San Juan.

Balbi explained that "no evidence of shipwreck was found in the explored areas nor was there any contact with the submarine or its rafts".

In the last hours it had been noticed that several of the ships that participated in the tasks in the San Jorge Gulf were returning to Comodoro Rivadavia. Among them the Atlantis, of the United States, the Sophie Siem, of Norway and the Didi-K, of Uruguay.

Lopez Mazzeo, in charge of the Training and Arming Command of the Navy (CEOAA), will sign a new notice advising the 18 countries that participated in the raking of the modality change of the operations.

From now on, the international agreement that was in force while searching for the crew alive was concluded, so the nations that had been collaborating with Argentina will decide if they continue participating in the tasks to try to rescue the remains of the ARA San Juan. According to this means, the US Navy will return to the United States.

The ARA San Juan was being searched since November 15, when at 7.30 in the morning the ship's last communication with the naval base was recorded from the height of the San Jorge Gulf, some 432 kilometers from the coast. Three hours later, the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) recorded an "unusual signal near the last known position" of the "ARA San Juan". The noise detected by the organism was similar to that detected by the United States, which recorded a "hydroacoustic anomaly" in the same place where the submarine was last reported.

On November 16 and 17 the search operation was activated with two surface naves of the Argentine Navy equipped with sonar and two aircraft, first, and then the collaboration with logistical support from Chile, Brazil, Peru, the United States and Great was added. Brittany.

On Saturday, November 18, seven attempts at satellite calls were detected, but when they were analyzed it was ruled out that they were from the submarine. That day also joined the search ten ships of the Navy, eight aircraft and a satellite of the countries that offered their cooperation: United States, United Kingdom, Chile, Brazil, France, Italy.

On Sunday 19, a minisubmarine of the United States Navy joined the search, while the next day a probe picked up "a noise" 200 meters deep and about 360 kilometers from the Peninsula Valdes, but hours later it was confirmed that did not leave the submarine. An empty raft was also found in the sea and flares were spotted near the search site, but it was later confirmed that they did not correspond to the "Ara San Juan".

The following day, on November 21, two submarine rescue squadrons of the US Navy departed from Comodoro Rivadavia to join the operatives.
A significant novelty was registered on November 23, when the ambassador in Austria, Rafael Grossi, sent to the Argentine Government the report made by the Vienna agency that detected "an anomalous, short, violent, singular and non-nuclear event, coinciding with a explosion ", as described by the spokesman of the Navy, Enrique Balbi, at a press conference.

Last Friday (November 24), arrived from Russia to Comodoro Rivadavia the world's largest aircraft, the "Antonov", with a rescue group and a remote control submersible to join the operation. That same day, President Mauricio Macri said that a "serious and profound" investigation will be carried out to find out what happened.

The following day, 10 days after the last communication, from the search operation they discarded that the submarine was on the surface. However, on the next day (November 26) the Norwegian flag vessel, Sophie Siem, sailed from the port of Comodoro Rivadavia with the US submarine submarine rescue squadron.

On November 27, an alleged informative part of the Navy circulated on social networks, in which the submarine was reported by US teams more than a thousand meters deep, but later that version was denied by official sources.

The next day (November 28), the search area of ​​the ship was reduced to about 40 kilometers in radius, after receiving new data from different international organizations that determined an area that represents an area of ​​"20 times the Federal Capital".

Finally, yesterday (November 29) the Navy reported that 68% of the search area was swept, without results. In addition, a group of eight relatives asked to be a plaintiff in the case that is being followed in Caleta Olivia, while the Government and Judge Yañez reached an agreement for the magistrate to access information from the Navy that is not a "military secret". "

This Thursday, the Navy confirmed that the search for the crew of the submarine has been completed, and the operation will continue with the aim of finding the ARA San Juan.

Regards

Tomi.

[Dartskipper]

May they rest in peace.

[Malcolm G]

Originally Posted by Canuck1

Sadly, it would appear that she is gone to the bottom and her ship's company have joined the ranks of submariners "still on patrol."

One of the better euphemisms - I totally agree.